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There is no news on the a&o website about discontinuing Agfa Photo-Chemicals, regard the ebay sellers comments as B.S.pirateoversixty wrote:A seller on e-bay is selling rodinal, saying that A&O has sold their interest or whatever in producing Agfa chemicals, and that supplies are limited. I browsed the internet and could not find any news about this.
Mr Vonk: set the record straight please.
Jim
Who cares? Rodinal is the most over-rated, crappy developer of them all.pirateoversixty wrote:A seller on e-bay is selling rodinal, saying that A&O has sold their interest or whatever in producing Agfa chemicals, and that supplies are limited. I browsed the internet and could not find any news about this.
Mr Vonk: set the record straight please.
Jim
Rodinal provides the lowest speed, poorest sharpness, and worst grain. This is objective fact, inconvenient to the hordes of Rodinal worshipers.Jim Appleyard wrote:It's just this kind of over-rated, crappy attitude from a "know-it-all" that has made this the least used and least respected forum on the internet.Ornello wrote:Who cares? Rodinal is the most over-rated, crappy developer of them all.pirateoversixty wrote:A seller on e-bay is selling rodinal, saying that A&O has sold their interest or whatever in producing Agfa chemicals, and that supplies are limited. I browsed the internet and could not find any news about this.
Mr Vonk: set the record straight please.
Jim
Yes, indeed. Rodinal is worse than many other developers, in fact worse than most. Paterson FX-39 is probably the best. Rodinal has survived because of its cult following and keeping properties. When measured objectively (as Leica Fotografie did back in the late 1960s) its shortcomings become plainly apparent. The one redeeming virtue Rodinal has is its keeping quality. It is very stable. But on any objective basis, Rodinal is among the very worst developers. D-76 1:1 is far better on most films. Contrary to popular belief, Rodinal does not provide high sharpness. The exaggerated grain provides an illusion of sharpness.pirateoversixty wrote:An inconvenient truth is that if rodinal were so poor a performer, it would have not survived lo these many years. Are you implying that thousands of users over the years would accept substandard (by your criteria) negs continuously?
Personally, I don't use the product. Other formulae have filled the bill for me, some better than others. But, I certainly won't diss the opinion of others who have successfuly used it, and have the prints to prove that it does work. Are you saying that any and/or all negs are inferior to, for example, your wunderkind FX whatever? That it is due to superhuman efforts that a decent print can be produced from a film processed in rodinal?
Time to come down from my soap-box. Need that fourth cup of coffee.
Jim
Well said! To be honest, the internet has given a voice to all sorts of bigots and social inadequates such as 'Ornello'. I doubt very much that he would be as abrupt and downright insulting were he face to face with any of the posters on this forum. He certainly wouldn't be so with me as a punch in the nuts often offends. I have to admit that sometimes, just sometimes, when I'm needing a laugh, I'll pop onto the digital truth forum to marvel at 'Ornello's' pearls of wisdom, but I'm amazed how much you lads and lasses tolerate his presence. Maybe it's pity, like you would pity a village idiot; humouring his ranting and raving. My humble opinion is that he does great damage to an otherwise excellent forum. And now, I reckon I'm persona non grata around here; cheerio!It's just this kind of over-rated, crappy attitude from a "know-it-all" that has made this the least used and least respected forum on the internet.Who cares? Rodinal is the most over-rated, crappy developer of them all.
Well, sir, the facts of the matter are simple enough to establish. Rodinal is just about the worst developer out there. I will be glad to send you copies of the Leica Fotografie tests. Almost everything you hear about film and developers is third-hand nonsense. I have done extensive research to establish a solid foundation of my advice and knowledge, and have written part of a book on film & exposure technique. Have you? I didn't think so...nielsf5 wrote:Well said! To be honest, the internet has given a voice to all sorts of bigots and social inadequates such as 'Ornello'. I doubt very much that he would be as abrupt and downright insulting were he face to face with any of the posters on this forum. He certainly wouldn't be so with me as a punch in the nuts often offends. I have to admit that sometimes, just sometimes, when I'm needing a laugh, I'll pop onto the digital truth forum to marvel at 'Ornello's' pearls of wisdom, but I'm amazed how much you lads and lasses tolerate his presence. Maybe it's pity, like you would pity a village idiot; humouring his ranting and raving. My humble opinion is that he does great damage to an otherwise excellent forum. And now, I reckon I'm persona non grata around here; cheerio!It's just this kind of over-rated, crappy attitude from a "know-it-all" that has made this the least used and least respected forum on the internet.Who cares? Rodinal is the most over-rated, crappy developer of them all.
If you want it, send me an e-mail at:Jim Appleyard wrote:Anybody can talk & write. Where can we view this piece of unbiased, technically correct, piece of literary art?